Episode 6: Personal stories behind the Women of the Well
In this special episode of Women of the Well, we’re getting personal.
Join our podcast hosts Dr Peta Wright, Dr Thea Bowler, and Sam Lindsay-German as they open up about their backgrounds and what they’ve personally discovered about holistic women’s health.
If you’ve ever wondered how they got here and what really inspired the creation of Vera Wellness – this is your chance to find out.
🎧 Listen now for personal insights into:
🍃 The book that shifted Peta's entire perspective on women’s health – leading her to question everything she’d been taught as a gynaecologist.
🍃 Thea takes us back to her roots, sharing the beautiful story of how her mum’s holistic GP practice influenced her career.
🍃 And Sam shares her unconventional path from British Army Officer to holistic women’s counsellor.
She talks about how following her intuition – and a few nudges from the universe – led her to the work she’s so passionate about today.
Plus – in this episode, Dr Peta and Dr Thea both share their frustrations with the conventional medical system, especially around the use of hormonal treatments like the pill.
They talk about why it’s so important to offer women alternatives that honour their natural cycles and well-being, and how they’ve brought these approaches to Vera Wellness.
For anyone interested in medicine practised in a way that honours our individual bodies and choices – this episode is a must-listen.
And we’d love to continue the conversation with you.
Please share your ‘aha’ moments and other comments with us on Instagram @verawellness.com.au.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Period Repair Manual by Lara Briden – A fantastic guide to understanding the impact of lifestyle on your menstrual cycle.
Dr Aviva Romm MD – A functional medicine expert who bridges traditional wisdom and modern medicine for women and children.
Period Queen by Lucy Peach – An insightful look into the emotional and spiritual aspects of the menstrual cycle.
Yoga for Real Life by Maya Fiennes – A practical guide to using yoga for personal transformation and healing.
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Episode transcript:
Ep 6: Meet the Hosts – The personal stories behind Women of the Well
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[00:01:00] Welcome to another episode of Women of the Well. We have decided to come together this time to talk in a non-clinical way about who it is that we are and how it is that we got where we were.
I personally really wanted us to do this episode because I think what is so wonderful for people to hear is the stories of how both of you went through your training in the medical world and have come to the place that you are now in this beautiful rural setting and how that happened for you.
So who wants to go first?
Okay. I'm Peta. I guess I always wanted to be a doctor. I always wanted to help people and then loved the idea of gynae and obstetrics because I firstly found, you know, of course, who doesn't like thinking about being there when babies are born into the world, which is so magical.
And so [00:02:00] that started there. And then over time, when I finished my training and came into private practice as well as continuing to do some public, and I worked in an adolescent gynae unit, so for younger girls that I helped to start at the public hospital that I was working at. I then started to do more just gynae, so just women's health, mainly because I also around that time had a baby of my own, and I'm married to an obstetrician, and so who, Also was delivering babies and we both couldn't do that in the night and have a household that functioned and someone that was there for the children, so I decided to put all of my focus into women's health and I think because when I started to do private practice more so and I would see women again and again who I In the public system you might see someone once, you might do an operation on them, or you might recommend a treatment, and then you might never see them again.
It might be somebody else that sees them. And so you [00:03:00] wouldn't really, having that follow up with people, and also you didn't have very much time in that model, which is I think a real failing in our health system, that we don't have that time. I, so because I was in this position where I was able to really listen to women's stories, I started to think, hang on, I feel like our training has really only, has been quite narrow in that the like symptoms that women are coming with are always viewed in the way I was trained as a medical condition with a treatment that usually involved a blunt.
Instrument like just turning off the cycle altogether for a surgery and I realized incredibly quickly that number one a lot of women weren't responding to that. They were having really terrible side effects and it didn't sit well in their bodies to just be have that, you know, the pill or hormonal drugs as a blanket solution.
They also weren't being given much knowledge about what was happening in their bodies. And also that [00:04:00] a lot of the things that we were doing weren't sustainably working or effective over time. And some of the things that we were doing in that conventional system was probably causing more problems than it was solving.
So during this, I then started to kind of delve a bit deeper into maybe what was left out of my training, and I started to look more at. Nutrition supplements, lifestyle, because they were things that were coming up a lot when I was seeing women, so stressful lives, not moving enough, diets that weren't very nourishing, you know, no time for themselves and then just that.
Basic, no understanding of their own bodies, so I started learning a lot more from a beautiful naturopath that I was working with. Her name's Alicia Humphries and she works with us at Vera. And so we, I would go and sit with her and her team and we would learn from each other. So I would talk about some of my patients, they would talk about some of theirs, and we would put our heads together about all of the things we could do. So more of an integrative approach, I [00:05:00] guess. And then remember as well, picking up this book. I was going to a conference in Canada and I think my baby was about seven months old, so it was the first time I was leaving him alone for a big time, like a week. And I saw this book in the book airport book shop, and it was by a lady called Lara Briden, who's also a naturopath, and it was called Period Repair Manual.
And it was, I think I heard about it and kind of challenged a lot of what we would have been taught I suppose. I read it on the plane between Brisbane and Singapore or wherever I stopped and I read the whole book and I was just like writing in the margins and being like oh my God, this is so true. Because it was so much about how our environment affects our menstrual cycles and the symptoms that we experience and it just resonated with me so much with what I was seeing.
So when I was in the airport in Singapore, I emailed Lara and said, Oh my God, I'm a gynecologist. I [00:06:00] just loved your book so much. And I just wanted to tell you, and by the time I arrived in Vancouver, she'd emailed me back. And then, now we, we've got a friendship, but like, that was probably the, even one of the really important things that happened.
And then I wanted to do some more training in this kind of integrative. holistic way of treating women. So I did a, um, a 12 month course with a amazing doctor in the States called Aviva Rom. And she was a midwife and a herbalist before becoming a doctor. And she has just this beautiful heart centered, incredibly evidence-based, but holistic way of practising.
And I remember actually doing that course and having feelings so emotional, even sitting down to do the first module because it just was. Like, not just about diet, supplements, medications, exercise, but, and all of the physiology and a very, um, dive into the, um, the biochemistry and all of the science, [00:07:00] but it was heart-centered and it included the idea of like soulful medicine or like the spirit and like love in, in the way we practice medicine.
And I just remember feeling like, Gosh, this is, this is the kind of medicine I want to practise and it was probably what I was doing anyway, but to have found a like community of people who were practicing in this way and to learn more was just so incredible. So I did that and then, then my appointment time started to blow out because it obviously takes a long time to see people in that comprehensive way.
And so I was working in this city practice, you know, trying to fit all of this like comprehensive, um, You know, listening assessment treatment plan with women and I was, it got to the point where it was kind of, it was, it was so satisfying for me to practice that way for the women, but I was then starting [00:08:00] to not be able, not being, taking care of myself because I was working early, working through my lunch breaks, was so invested in providing this level of care, um, that I started to really burn out.
And I also. Realize that maybe there was a bit of a cultural, like a bit of a clash between my values as a practitioner, maybe, and the, the practice I was working in, and I, and then we got up to sort of COVID times, and we, I just bought a, a, um, my husband and I had just bought this piece of land out in the Sanford Valley, just outside of Brisbane, and there was, um, a Our house on it and then a cottage that we were renting out and um, I just kind of went for a walk one day and had this crazy idea that maybe I could start a practice that was based here and it's so beautiful here.
Like I remember when I first even bought it I just thought this is so beautiful. The house was falling down but like it was magical. The creek and the forest and the big beautiful fig tree and I just [00:09:00] remember this like real, feeling that I wanted to be here, but I also felt like it wasn't going to just be for me that I needed to share this land and share this space because there was something really magical about it. So I came home from this walk and said to my husband, maybe I've got this idea. Maybe I could start more of a holistic practice here. And he didn't laugh at me. Um, and just said, yeah, I think that's a really good idea. And then I went through the process of starting to create Vera, which is a practice that is, aligned more with my values.
So it's kind of like a little haven away from the city and there's the natural component which I think is one of the big healers here and I can practice medicine in the way I want to which is giving time and space for women's stories to be heard and validated and then giving them the options.
And I get to work with [00:10:00] incredible women, an incredible team that, because, you know, women need more in depth knowledge and experience from practitioners like dieticians and physiotherapists and yoga teachers and counsellors and psychologists.
And so able to actually curate an incredible team. So now I live my best life here. Sometimes we talk about like living in the Vera bubble, where we are, you know, where we'll, you know, Try and do, we try to walk our talk here. So I try not to work from six o'clock until 6 PM at night. I try to start work a bit later, finish a bit earlier, and we try to have an hour for lunch and yoga and sometimes just ranting about the world under the big fig tree.
And, um, that's how I've got to be here. I think it's so important for clinicians who understand about the impact of the environment on our bodies to. have realized that in their own lives and to be trying to [00:11:00] find that balance in their lives as well. So that's been a huge thing for me. So beautiful. I think that's it.
Like when as practitioners, if we are feeling burnt out and overworked and have nothing left in our own tank, then we have nothing left to give to our patients. And that has always felt wrong. And that's what VRA enables us to do, to have the time and space for us to care for patients in the way we want to, but for the patients to receive the care that they need.
Yeah. Can I just quickly say, that's so true because we, we see so many women who've had been through the ringer and have been, had a lot of trauma in their lives and through their journey in the medical system, and often the trauma that people experience. in the medical system happens because clinicians, not because clinicians are bad, horrible people, but because they are so stretched and stressed and they, um, they are operating from a place of fight or flight or freeze and survival and they can't [00:12:00] possibly give that space and care. That's why it's so important for clinicians to find this space.
Should I tell my story [Thea]? I had a mum who was a GP who had her own little practice, which was so similar to Vera. Like it was, she worked by herself and it was this little green like oasis. And she's also an artist. And it was like totally full of her art. And you would walk in and your whole body would just be like, and you would feel like you were walking into someone's home.
It wasn't in her home, but it was, it felt like that. And she practised very beautiful lifelong general practice with her patients and like spiritual sort of medicine. And so I think that's like been imprinted on me as like what I, I haven't like, I didn't make the connection till recently, but I was like, yeah, I think that might've had quite an impact the way that I saw medicine practiced by my mum.
But then I had a really similar experience in my training, which was seeing patients, [00:13:00] you know, with complex. issues that were never just relatable to an organ like a uterus or an ovary. And yet all of our treatments were directed in that way. And like you said, we would see patients with pain. You know, we might do a laparoscopy, that laparoscopy might be normal.
And then we'd say, well, that, sorry, there's nothing else we can really do. The thing that used to really frustrate me was patients with irregular periods and polycystic ovarian syndrome, we would say, well, you just need to take the pill.
And to me, that never made any sense because I was like, we're just switching off the cycle. We're not even trying to understand what might be going on underneath it all or to rectify that problem. And the other thing I noticed is so many patients said they didn't want to take the pill. And when they said they didn't want to take the pill, we really had no other option, and I used to feel so frustrated about that.
And then, I had a really, like, revelatory moment, having been one of the generation of women who was put on the pill when I was 15 because I had a pimple [00:14:00] and then took it all the way up until 35 when I wanted to have kids and I just remember stopping the pill and like it might have been a few cycles in and it must have been around ovulation but I was like just feeling this intense high, like, this amazing feeling in my body.
And then when I realized it happened each month at the same time, I was like, Oh my God, this is ovulation, and this is what I've been missing out on this entire time. Like, really feeling the impact of the hormonal cycle, as well as, you know, the autumn turning inward, feeling less good. You have to have the bad if you want to experience the good.
And I just thought, how have I not known about this? Like having gone through medical school, having been a junior doctor, having gone through my specialist training, it was only once I was a specialist that I realized, oh my god, like the hormonal cycle going on in our bodies is absolutely incredible. And it is not taught at all.
Like we had to figure this out ourselves [00:15:00] by feeling what's going on in our own bodies and by, you know, listening to people like Lucy Peach. And then when you start talking about it, everyone thinks you're crazy. I know. Like, exactly. And just had the same experience with the pill and went off the pill when I tried to have a baby.
And then, and that's actually when my whole life opened up. Totally. Going off the pill and having my baby. Yes. And then I think it was, you know, it was that realising, God, I never want to be on a hormone ever again because this is incredible. And then starting private practice and. Again, like you said, realising that when you see your patients again and again and again, because you're seeing them until they feel better, you realize, well, actually the things that we've been taught to do are not working at all.
Um, in fact, often causing more problems than they're solving. And also realising my patients telling me they didn't want to be on the pill and me saying, well, I don't either. So we have to figure out a better solution. And I was lucky enough to be in the office next door to Peta at our practice in the city and I think you were like [00:16:00] doing your Aviva Rom training or you might have just done it.
And so I would like knock on your door every second of the day and be like, what do you think I should do about this? What do you think I should do about that? I think I was emboldened at that stage and that's when I got the gigantic vulva picture. Yeah. Vulva painting that I hung on my office wall. And you sometimes got to have that office as well.
I think that painting is still there. And so from talking to you and realizing that there are so many other options. Other than, you know, the hormones and the surgery, which are very valid for some people. And it's so great to have those in our toolkit, but then to have all of these other options to help patients, you know, manage their symptoms.
That was just mind blowing to me. Like there's so much more we can do and then really getting to know your patients and talking to them about all of the other stuff like early life stuff and current stress and environment and sleep and diet and all of those things. And realizing that actually often.
Number one, I would, [00:17:00] sometimes you would see a patient and they would just tell you their story and you would actually offer them all these treatments and they would say, no, I don't need to do any of that, but I just feel so much better. And I was like, oh my god, it's literally just the fact that people have had the time to tell their story that is therapeutic and nothing else need be done.
Like that was a really powerful realization to me. And then, Just, I guess, that kind of rolled into then you, um, starting Vera, and me joining you. Where we Me reading you and saying, do you want to join me in a crazy, like, practice in the hills? Please, come, so I'm not crazy on my own. I said, definitely.
Thank goodness for that. And here we are, in our haven. Haven for Practitioners and Haven for patients. And I really strongly believe that, you know, having the expertise of all the people that we work with from you, Sam, to all of our beautiful all at health and other doctors, like that's the most perfect way to me to practice medicine where [00:18:00] we can really hold our patients.
And, you know, I think sometimes. And we talk about this a fair bit, you know, sometimes it seems more intensive at the beginning, like sometimes doing a surgery might seem like the quick fix, but it's more expensive. But if actually we can hold a patient, give them access to physio and strategies to regulate the nervous system and naturopaths or whatever else it might be, in fact, it's almost more intensive and there are more appointments at the beginning, but then they are healed and then they can move through their life in a way that means they don't need to engage with therapy or medical practitioners anymore and they're rippling out joy and love into the world around them, you know, into the future. And I think that to me is what, you know, what healing is and what we should be aiming to do as doctors. Because it's about creating that community, which [00:19:00] I think is so lost in today's society, that community of women or humans to say, can support you just as you are.
And we can help give you the tools to get to know and support your own body. And that's, I think what is so beautiful, like in healing for me, for all of us as, um, women to be working in this way and for people who might come here as well. Cause there's that community we're in it together. What about you, Sam?
How'd you get here? I was just going to say though, I'm just listening to you both. Can you recognize within that, that your own healing has helped? The healing. Can you see that in, you know, when you listen to what you're saying about how it was for you individually, the points you went through and burnout, how it was in that, that you started to be able to empower others.
Yes, and also like I, I do think that the pill thing is a important one and this isn't true for everybody and many women, for many women the pill and hormonal [00:20:00] contraceptives are great and are a lifesaver and fantastic. And so, but for me. When we grew up and it was like, I remember saying to patients these words, which would be, look, anybody, any, every single gynecologist in this city will be on the pill to suppress their cycle because why would, why would any clever person want to have a period?
Because that's what my mentors, my teachers told me and taught me as I was training in my early years of gynecology. And when I think about me saying that to people, it just makes me feel very nauseous and want to be sick. That's That's what we were taught. Like, I just don't think we were hardly remotely taught anything about the normal menstrual cycle or, and definitely nothing about the impact on our brain with our hormones and things like that.
And the value of ovulation because it's how we make our hormones. So I think going off the pill and having those realizations in my own body. Um, [00:21:00] like I don't think I could practice the medicine that I do. without having done that. And I do think, like, it's something that when we talk to clinicians and women around our age, maybe a little bit older, they often don't get that because they, for them, they've been still, they're still in that, which is okay, but it's just like this other paradigm that, It was just seen as the most normal thing to just switch your cycle off because that is easier and more.
It's an inconvenience. Yeah. To most people, I think. And it's how you fit into the linear world that we live in. So I think learning how to live cyclically to experience what's happening in your body was a big, um, a big thing for me. It's really interesting because, um, for me, uh, I'm very far removed from what I did when I first, um, finished school.
I joined the army at 18, the British army, and I was, I went to Santa so I was an officer in the British army, and I commissioned [00:22:00] at 19. And during that time I went on Depo Provera, which is an injection to stop me having any form of cycle whatsoever, because it Really not convenient to have a period and I, I actually had been on the pill since 16 because I was put on the pill because I had Um, cysts on my ovaries, which now having spent this time with you, I can honestly hand on heart say was as a result of my childhood for sure.
And so one of the reasons I joined the army was to be able to leave home and find a different form of family. And I watched Private Benjamin and it seemed like that was a really good option. Is that Goldie Hawn? Yeah. I loved her. Um, and so, oh yeah, it's a very interesting story. Yeah. Wild and crazy. Oh, no one should follow my kind of whimsical life at all, but yeah, they're the sort of things that I do.
So I joined the army and I was actually commissioned, my team was in the army for eight years. Um, and yeah, [00:23:00] definitely that whole time I was in a world where I was, yeah, doing all those things physically that, um, was required of me and pushing my body really, really hard and never once thought about any form of consequences that it would have on my mind and my mental health was.
Um, really poor and, um, my physical health was, uh, good. Like I was very strong, but I, I didn't care about myself at all. I was very miserable and, um, yeah, probably hit quite a lot of my lowest points during that time, which was always also combined with lots of stuff happening in my family. And I was very lucky that I, through quite a lot of things that occurred during that time, met my husband during one of the places, my now husband, during one of my tours, um, one of my postings, and we, um, we got to know each other.
We were very good friends. And One of the things is that when [00:24:00] I was about to leave the army, I was actually, I'd actually got very sick with anorexia and I was put into a mental hospital. And which is awful in the army because it's not a very good place to be. And so have this whole thing where I distrust the medical system.
I did distrust the medical system because of what it did to me, because of the way I was dealt with by psychologists and psychiatrists. And. I was fortunate that I left, um, at the time that I did. I was also fortunate that I had my husband and actually I very quickly got married and kind of just started to go through my own healing journey.
I got pregnant, um, by coming off the injection and I fell pregnant very quickly, which was quite lucky for me. And as a result of that, I just went cold turkey and dropped all my antidepressants and everything myself, which, you I did without any doctors because I didn't trust the doctors. I didn't trust the psychologist.
And so I did all that. And [00:25:00] along the track, I just kept finding little things. And it's really funny that you said about the book, because one of the things that really got me on the path I am now, um, after having four children was a book by someone called Maya Fines, which is called Yoga for Real Life.
And I found it in a bookshop just before my husband was about to go on a tour to Afghanistan and I picked it up. And I read the book and then I ordered the DVDs because back then that's what you did. And they arrive in England the next day. And I did it every, I did yoga with her on a DVD every single day that he was away for those eight months.
And then at the end he came back to some crazy woman who was chanting and doing lots of weird things and I had no idea what was going on. And then I said, I want to be a yoga teacher. And we happened to be moving to Australia for a tour. And so I did my teacher training over here. And what's most interesting to me is that when I look now back, even this morning, when I was practicing yoga, there was a card that I pulled at the end and it was talking about [00:26:00] going a statue in Spain of the black Madonna and her child.
And when I was still in the army, I took a, um, uh, adventure training trip with some of my soldiers to Spain. And we went there and I had this realization when I last saw the card, but today it really landed that I had been there in front of this black Madonna and her child on a sort of, in a pilgrimage site, totally oblivious to what it really was.
And it was like, you know, the universe nudges you and I can hear that in your stories. And that's what I was like, gosh. Yeah, the nudges were always there. My desire to, you know, follow my pagan longings and to be free and to bring up my children how I wanted to, not how I thought I should according to, you know, mainstream books and the way that I had been told by I don't know, [00:27:00] society that I should raise them was always deeply within me.
So I was very lucky that I found Kundalini Yoga particularly, and then lots of very amazing friends who have supported me in my weird and wonderful journey of growth. And from there, I've been fortunate to meet amazing people like you, Peta, and you, Thea. But, and then have the opportunity to come here and sort of learn even more and share even more.
So, you know, doing things like becoming a holistic counsellor, I, I did that because I needed to heal. Actually, my, I don't know how exactly as you, you know, when you said you did that course and you cried, I was doing that course in counselling. I'm pretty much sure I re traumatized myself becoming a holistic counsellor.
I didn't practice it for at least three years after. Because, you know, It was so big for me to have these realizations of the care that I so desperately needed, but I didn't have. [00:28:00] And so, yeah, I feel like the learning to live cyclically came to me when I did my conscious pregnancy course. Um, I remember doing that and just thinking, I mean, so many times, Oh my gosh, I've already had my children.
I've already done this. I've already, I couldn't birth the way I wanted because I had four, um, C sections because. I knew no other way. And my teachers would always say, you can only do what, you know, you can only do what you do when you know something different, you know, I can't say it, and that's how I believe it now.
I just think, yes, I didn't know then, had I known that then, I wouldn't be here doing what I'm doing. Does that make sense? Yeah. It always comes at the right time. That's right. And I feel like that's what we're hearing in this together. I think the other beautiful thing that you said, Sam, which I think is true for all of us, but is that just following the [00:29:00] nudges, like following the breadcrumbs, we always say almost.
Trusting yourself enough that the thing that feels right is the next thing to do. We don't trust ourselves so often. We think, oh god no, that's, that would be stupid. People would think this, people would think that. Probably as we get older it gets easier to actually trust ourselves. Listen to that, that intuition that you have that tells you know, this is what my heart knows is right.
And to follow those. Well, that we're hearing two doctors talking like this and then one doctor that's just said, following your intuition, I mean, just connecting intuition into this is so important. Women are intuitive. We know what we need. And yet. We forgot. Because we were told that we didn't. And they're trying to fit into the boxes and do things in the way that we were told is the right way.
And then we automatically think we are wrong. [00:30:00] And also I think like the way that women are suppressed like that, the pill, the Depo Provera, whatever, the eating disorder. We've all sitting here on this couch having, having had experience of that, like so many women and I just think, you know, to the way, um, like it takes a lot of courage and strength to be able to realize that the intuition, the power that we have is just as valid as any other system of doing something and in fact, this might be a better system for serving women.
Well, it is a better system, in the sense that it's actually a system that supports women. It's not trying to suppress them. And I feel one of the most powerful things you said was about, Only by being off the contraception, only by actually just following our cycles. And this, I didn't even realize once I got pregnant, I never went back.
So [00:31:00] 26, when I got pregnant, I've never been on any form of contraception since then. And I don't know if I realized how rare that was until very recently, just the fact that I just, yeah, I've never had to consider anything, but just following my natural cycle. And living with my natural cycle. Because it's also interesting that, like, I reckon, of the gynecologists that I knew, at least when I was training, I don't even know if any of them would not have been on contraception, so then when you go and see somebody, who's either a man or they are a woman who's shut down their cycle because they've been told that that's the only way to cope and be, and they don't – they're not experiencing the things that are happening.
It's actually wild that that's the experience of women who are coming to those people who don't have their own experience. It's like wild that they don't have the personal experience of it and they've, it's never even been mentioned. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not, it's not, I think in medical school and in our [00:32:00] training, you probably got, we got a tiny bit of teaching about this is what your hormones do, but that was it, you know, nothing about the impact.
I find that unbelievable. I still find it unbelievable that you can be, have gone through that training and not have had any of that education. About reproduction, we would have got what it does for reproduction, but not the rest of it. But nothing about the emotional landscape of the menstrual cycle, you know, the impact on.
What I find more interesting about this and this conversation is, um, this is also current. This is not something, what I mean by that is, this is only happened in my experience of being in, in this world, in the yoga world and in the holistic world, this is only really started to come into being in this way in like the last five to 10 years.
And I mean that honestly, it, it's just. Now people are starting to talk like this. And it's crazy to think how recent it is that we've gone [00:33:00] back to something that is so natural. It really has taken. For me, sitting with Thea and Peta and meeting some of the other amazing practitioners here at Vera, to actually get back into a place where I can see that there is a possibility of trusting this system.
And I think that's important because there are a lot of people like me who have found distrust in the system. And They, we're normally just told to just not talk about it. We're said that we're crazy. We're not, you know, we, you know, we're wacky, whatever the thing is that we get called. But the truth is now I feel slightly validated.
I'm not wacky. I knew something. I knew it didn't feel right. I knew I wasn't being looked after correctly. I trusted that. I moved away from the system. And now the system is coming back and saying, We see you. Yes, and I saw a patient yesterday, actually, this is very pertinent to that, [00:34:00] that was telling me she goes to see her psychiatrist.
She's been given a diagnosis of ADHD and autism. and other things. She goes there and she says, I don't take his medication. But she said, um, he's also recently given me a diagnosis of autism. And she said the fact that I don't want to take the medication. Um, he said that often fits with people who get the diagnosis of autism that I, that I want to overthink and I don't want to take the medication.
Like the fact that you're. Intuitively thinking that I don't need this, you have to have a diagnosis if you question the paradigm and you think, actually, I don't think that I need that in my life. Like I just thought that was crazy. Anyway, so should we all unlearn together? Together we'll unlearn and together with you, we shall unlearn and try to tap back into the remembering of what it is that feels true to each and every one of us.
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